Potteries derby
Locale | Stoke-on-Trent |
---|---|
Teams | Port Vale vs. Stoke City |
First meeting | 2 December 1882[1] |
Latest meeting |
10 February 2002 Second Division |
Statistics | |
Meetings total | 185 |
Most wins | Stoke City (101)[1] |
Most player appearances | Tom Holford (28)[1] |
All-time series |
Port Vale: 44 Drawn: 40 Stoke: 101 |
Largest victory | Stoke 4–0 Port Vale (1931) |
The Potteries derby is the football local derby in Stoke-on-Trent between Port Vale and Stoke City. The fans of each club both consider the other to be their main rivals;[2] this has led to a heated atmosphere at these matches, especially with the rise of football hooliganism and the 'Naughty Forty'. The two teams have met a total of 185 times, consisting of: 44 The Football League, 6 FA Cup, 62 friendlies, and 73 other (mostly local) cup games.[1]
Stoke-on-Trent is the least populous city to have two Football League clubs (the next smallest is Nottingham). Leeds, Leicester, Coventry, Hull, Bradford, and Cardiff are all larger cities that contain just one league club.[3]
Background
Both clubs come from Stoke-on-Trent and are the only clubs from the city to have played in the football league. Port Vale are Burslem based and Stoke City traditionally are based in Stoke-upon-Trent. The city of Stoke-on-Trent was incorporated in 1910 (city status granted in 1925), therefore before this time the two clubs were based in separate towns and were local rivals rather than rivals within the same city. Despite this however, the Valiants did use The Old Recreation Ground as their home stadium, which was located in Hanley.
Both clubs had strong links to the local pottery industry, Port Vale's unique name being based on the Trent and Mersey Canal and with City's nickname being The Potters.
Port Vale tends to get support from the North of the city, notably Tunstall and Burslem. Stoke therefore tend to enjoy greater support in the South of the city.
History
The two clubs have long league histories, Stoke City were founded in 1863 or 1868[4] and Port Vale were probably formed in 1879.[5] In the early 20th century, both clubs spent time out of the Football League structure: from 1907 (for Vale) and 1908 (for Stoke) until 1919 - both had resigned due to financial troubles. Stoke were founder members of the football league in 1888 and Port Vale were founder members of both the Second Division in 1892 and the Fourth Division in 1958. City have tended to be the more successful club over the years, the most valued trophy going to Stoke in 1972 in the form of the League Cup. Although Vale did reach the semi-finals of the FA Cup in 1954, Stoke bettered this with a second-place finish in 2011. Stoke have also tended to play in higher tiers of the football league throughout the clubs history, although since 1919 the two clubs have found themselves in the same league for 22 seasons. Vale have had only five seasons playing at a higher level than City, and never in the top flight. Whilst competing in the same division, Vale have finished above Stoke on seven occasions.[6] Stoke therefore have finished above Vale 87 times (as of 2011, and only including seasons in which Vale have competed in the Football League).
The first derby game was played at Westport Meadows on 2 December 1882, in the Second Round of the Staffordshire Senior Cup.[1] Vale were complete unknowns, and so pulled off a surprise by managing a 1–1 with their more established rivals-to-be.[1] No details of the match were recorded, though The Staffordshire Sentinel did mention the match along with the comment that it was "a spirited game".[1] Stoke won the replay 5–1 at the Victoria Ground seven days later, with George Shutt bagging four of the goals.[1] It took Vale seventeen attempts to register their first victory over Stoke, which they finally did in a friendly on 29 March 1890, winning 2–1.[1]
The biggest attendance came on 6 January 1951, as a crowd of 49,500 packed into the Victoria Ground to witness the teams draw in an FA Cup First Round encounter. Three years later some 46,777 turned up at the ground when the pair met in the league. The biggest crowd for an encounter Vale Park came on 25 April 1955, when a crowd of 41,674 witnessed a Stoke victory.[1]
Though the two clubs have been main rivals since as early as the 1880s, they have supported each other in times of need. Before regaining their Football League status in the early 20th century, the two clubs had a pact that meant Vale would not bid for membership, leaving Stoke more likely to succeed in their bid; Stoke would then support Vale in any future bids they made.[7] During times of deep financial crisis at the Vale, Stoke played fund-raising matches with the Vale in order to try and prevent their rivals from going into liquidation.[7] In turn, Vale allowed Stoke to play a home game at Vale Park when a freak gale in January 1976 caused severe damage to the Victoria Ground.[7]
Game list
The most recent game resulted in a 1–0 away win for Port Vale, Stoke City's last win over Vale being seven derbies ago.
This list shows all competitive senior matches in the Football League, the FA Cup, League Cup, and League Trophy. Matches from wartime competitions, friendlies, Staffordshire Senior Cup, and other minor cup competitions are not included.
Note that the league system was re-organized in 1992 with the creation of the Premier League and in 2004 with the league re-branding.
Statistics
As of 12 January 2009
Club | P | W | D | L | F | A | +/- |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Football League | |||||||
Port Vale | 44 | 13 | 15 | 16 | 41 | 45 | -7 |
Stoke City | 44 | 16 | 15 | 13 | 45 | 41 | +7 |
FA Cup | |||||||
Port Vale | 6 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 7 | 9 | -2 |
Stoke City | 6 | 3 | 2 | 1 | 9 | 7 | +2 |
Football League Trophy | |||||||
Port Vale | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 1 | +2 |
Stoke City | 2 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 1 | 3 | -2 |
Friendlies & minor cups[1] | |||||||
Port Vale | 133 | 29 | 23 | 82 | 156 | 298 | -142 |
Stoke City | 133 | 82 | 23 | 29 | 298 | 156 | +142 |
Totals | |||||||
Port Vale | 185 | 44 | 40 | 101 | 207 | 353 | -146 |
Stoke City | 185 | 101 | 40 | 44 | 353 | 207 | +146 |
Honours
These are the major footballing honours of Port Vale and Stoke City.
Competition | Port Vale | Stoke City |
---|---|---|
Second Division / Football League Championship (2nd tier) | 0 | 2 |
Third Division / Third Division North / League One (3rd tier) | 2 | 2 |
Fourth Division / League Two (4th tier) | 1 | 0 |
Football League Cup | 0 | 1 |
Football League Trophy | 2 | 2 |
Total | 5 | 7 |
Crossing the divide
Players who have played for both clubs
The player with the most appearances in derby games is Tom Holford, who played nine times in Stoke colours and nineteen times in Vale colours between 1899 and 1922. Dickie Smith played 24 appearances in Stoke colours, whilst Billy Briscoe turned out 22 times for the Valiants. The player with most appearances in the derby following World War II is John McCue, who played seventeen times for the Potters, followed by Vale's Roy Sproson with fifteen derby appearances.[1]
In terms of goals scored the record-holder is Bob Whittingham, who knocked thirteen goals in for Stoke between 1917 and 1920, though only one of these came in a Football League encounter. The most successful scorer in Vale colours has been Wilf Kirkham with seven goals, though he also scored once whilst playing on Stoke's side – all Kirkham's goals came in the Football League.[1]
Players in bold transferred directly between the clubs, or were released by one and then signed for the other.
Both the Potteries clubs also share a rivalry with Crewe Alexandra. Players highlighted in pink have turned out for all three clubs.
- As of 28 January 2013.
Player | Port Vale career | Stoke City career | ||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Span | League Appearances |
League Goals |
Span | League Appearances |
League Goals | |
Ron Andrew | 1964–1965 | 8 | 1 | 1957–1964 | 115 | 1 |
Len Armitage | 1932–1934 | 11 | 2 | 1924–1932 | 200 | 19 |
Bill Asprey | 1967–1968 | 31 | 0 | 1953–1966 | 304 | 23 |
Tom Baddeley | 1893–1896 | 64 | 0 | 1910 | 9 | 0 |
Frank Baker | 1935–1936 | 0 | 0 | 1936–1950 | 162 | 32 |
Lewis Ballham | 1888–1890 | 16 | 6 | 1891–1892 | 18 | 5 |
George Bateman | 1882–1886 1886–1890 |
18 | 0 | 1886–1887 1891–1892 |
5 | 0 |
Jason Beckford | 1991 | 5 | 1 | 1994–1995 | 4 | 0 |
Harry Benson | 1908–1911 | 43 | 0 | 1901–1907 | 87 | 0 |
Bill Bentley | 1977–1980 | 95 | 0 | 1964–1968 | 48 | 1 |
Brian Bithell | 1977 | 2 | 0 | 1976–1977 | 17 | 0 |
Alan Bloor | 1978–1979 | 6 | 1 | 1961–1977 | 388 | 17 |
Albert Boardman | 1894–1895 | 0 | 0 | 1895–1897 | 4 | 0 |
Lucien Boullemier | 1897–1902 1905 |
153 | 6 | 1896 | 7 | 0 |
John Bowman | 1899 | 0 | 0 | 1899–1900 | 4 | 0 |
Arthur Box | 1904–1907 | 50 | 1 | 1907–1909 | 33 | 0 |
William Bradbury | 1903–1907 | 12 | 0 | 1910–1911 | 28 | 0 |
Dave Brammer | 1999–2001 2008–2009 |
85 | 3 | 2004–2007 | 105 | 2 |
Arthur Bridgett | 1923–1924 | 14 | 7 | 1902 | 7 | 0 |
Ian Brightwell | 2002–2004 | 37 | 0 | 2002 | 4 | 0 |
Davy Brodie | 1897 | 0 | 0 | 1889–1897 | 170 | 2 |
Joe Brough | 1906–1907 1909–1910 1913–1922 |
159 | 69 | 1907 | 1 | 0 |
Adrian Capes | 1900–1905 1907–1911 |
197 | 75 | 1905–1907 | 17 | 2 |
Mark Chamberlain | 1979–1982 | 96 | 18 | 1982–1985 | 111 | 17 |
Neville Chamberlain | 1978–1982 | 141 | 32 | 1982–1984 | 7 | 0 |
Tommy Clare | 1884 1897 1898–1901 |
39 | 0 | 1884–1897 | 198 | 4 |
Albert Cook | 1900–1906 1907 1909–1911 |
58 | 7 | 1906 | 12 | 1 |
William Cope | 1904–1907 | 73 | 1 | 1907–1908 | 25 | 0 |
Harry Cotton | 1901–1905 | 124 | 0 | 1905–1908 | 22 | 1 |
Tom Coxon | 1902–1903 1906–1907 |
42 | 13 | 1903–1904 1907 |
34 | 6 |
Arthur Cumberlidge | 1937–1946 | 81 | 1 | 1936 | 0 | 0 |
Harry Davies | 1938–1939 | 44 | 4 | 1922–1929 1932–1937 |
388 | 92 |
Carl Dickinson | 2013– | 0 | 0 | 2004–2011 | 60 | 0 |
Tony Dinning | 2005–2006 | 42 | 2 | 2002 | 5 | 0 |
Alan Dodd | 1986–1987 | 2 | 0 | 1969–1982 | 356 | 3 |
Billy Draycott | 1890–1891 | 2 | 1 | 1891–1894 | 2 | 0 |
Archie Dyke | 1913–1914 1919 |
21 | 2 | 1909–1912 1914 |
41 | 3 |
Billy Eardley | 1894–1895 1895–1896 |
17 | 7 | 1896 | 10 | 1 |
Francis Eardley | 1910–1911 | 6 | 2 | 1909 | 3 | 2 |
Wayne Ebanks | 1985–1987 | 39 | 0 | 1984 | 10 | 0 |
Ted Evans | 1896–1899 | 38 | 14 | 1891–1895 | 55 | 18 |
Arthur Fielding | 1910–1911 | 4 | 5 | 1908–1909 | 3 | 0 |
John Flowers | 1971–1972 | 34 | 0 | 1963–1966 | 8 | 0 |
Peter Ford | 1959–1963 | 104 | 5 | 1956–1959 | 14 | 0 |
Jimmy Greenhoff | 1981–1983 | 48 | 5 | 1969–1976 | 274 | 76 |
Peter Griffiths | 1984–1986 | 36 | 4 | 1983–1984 | 60 | 5 |
Steve Guppy | 1994–1997 | 105 | 12 | 2004 | 4 | 0 |
Charles Hallam | 1922–1923 | 1 | 0 | 1924–1927 | 31 | 2 |
Mark Harrison | 1980–1982 | 70 | 0 | 1982–1983 | 7 | 0 |
Arthur Hartshorne | 1902–1903 | 28 | 0 | 1903–1905 | 53 | 0 |
Billy Heames | 1897–1904 | 208 | 22 | 1883–1887 | 16 | 2 |
Geoff Hickson | 1968 | 17 | 0 | 1959–1961 | 11 | 0 |
Ted Holdcroft | 1901–1903 | 16 | 1 | 1903–1905 | 43 | 11 |
Tom Holford | 1919–1924 | 62 | 3 | 1898–1908 | 248 | 30 |
Vic Horrocks | 1905–1907 1911–1912 |
37 | 2 | 1904 1908–1911 |
19 | 8 |
Sam Howshall | 1903–1905 | 2 | 0 | 1908 | 1 | 2 |
Arthur Jepson | 1938–1946 | 41 | 0 | 1946–1948 | 28 | 0 |
Tony Kelly | 1994 | 4 | 1 | 1986–1987 | 36 | 4 |
Wilf Kirkham | 1923–1929 1932–1933 |
260 | 153 | 1929–1932 | 51 | 30 |
Tony Lacey | 1970–1975 | 201 | 9 | 1967–1969 | 4 | 0 |
George Lawton | 1886 | 0 | 0 | 1885–1889 | 13 | 1 |
Billy Leech | 1899–1900 | 26 | 1 | 1900–1901 | 46 | 2 |
Terry Lees | 1975–1976 | 41 | 2 | 1970–1975 | 24 | 0 |
Harry Leese | 1913–1919 | 37 | 4 | 1907 1909–1913 |
109 | 11 |
Aaron Lockett | 1914–1915 1916–1917 1919–1920 |
27 | 9 | 1918 | 21 | 11 |
John Lumsdon | 1978 | 5 | 0 | 1975–1978 | 28 | 0 |
Neil MacKenzie | 2008–2009 | 2 | 0 | 1996–1999 | 41 | 1 |
Ted McDonald | 1894–1896 1897–1899 |
105 | 10 | 1896–1897 | 2 | 0 |
Bob McSkimming | 1889–1891 | 0 | 0 | 1888–1889 | 22 | 6 |
Arden Maddison | 1924–1927 | 53 | 1 | 1924 | 1 | 0 |
Jack Maddock | 1923–1931 | 173 | 10 | 1919–1921 | 23 | 4 |
Paul Maguire | 1985–1988 | 115 | 22 | 1980–1984 | 107 | 24 |
Alan Martin | 1941–1951 | 169 | 28 | 1951–1955 | 104 | 66 |
Harry Mellor | 1896 | 0 | 0 | 1897–1900 | 29 | 3 |
Lee Mills | 1995–1998 | 109 | 35 | 2003 | 11 | 1 |
Bob Milarvie | 1889 | 0 | 0 | 1888–1889 | 15 | 5 |
Ernie Millward | 1907–1908 | 0 | 0 | 1908–1910 | 69 | 24 |
Ian Moores | 1988 | 0 | 0 | 1974–1976 | 50 | 14 |
Jackie Mudie | 1963–1967 | 54 | 9 | 1961–1963 | 89 | 32 |
Albert Mullard | 1951–1956 | 163 | 22 | 1950–1951 | 21 | 3 |
Ernest Mullineux | 1900–1904 | 113 | 1 | 1907–1914 | 173 | 0 |
Jimmy O'Neill | 1965–1966 | 42 | 0 | 1960–1964 | 130 | 0 |
Harry Oscroft | 1959–1961 | 47 | 12 | 1949–1959 | 349 | 106 |
Gareth Owen | 2008–2009 2009–2013 |
114 | 2 | 2001–2005 | 5 | 0 |
Syd Owen | 1907 1908 |
3 | 0 | 1906 1907 |
6 | 4 |
Wally Owen | 1911–1912 | 1 | 0 | 1910 | 0 | 0 |
Louis Page | 1932–1933 | 18 | 2 | 1919–1922 | 21 | 1 |
Jack Peart | 1922 | 7 | 0 | 1909–1912 | 44 | 38 |
Syd Peppitt | 1950–1951 | 11 | 3 | 1936–1950 | 94 | 29 |
Edward Proctor | 1896–1897 | 13 | 3 | 1895–1896 | 3 | 2 |
Bob Ramsey | 1886–1888 1893–1894 |
16 | 0 | 1888–1890 | 43 | 5 |
Leigh Richmond Roose | 1910 | 0 | 0 | 1901–1904 1905–1907 |
147 | 0 |
Vic Rouse | 1926–1929 | 95 | 0 | 1922–1926 | 92 | 2 |
Arthur Rowley | 1902–1903 | 57 | 4 | 1896–1899 | 57 | 0 |
Bill Rowley | 1884–1886 | 0 | 0 | 1887–1896 | 118 | 0 |
Harry Sellars | 1937–1938 | 0 | 0 | 1923–1935 | 369 | 18 |
Kevin Sheldon | 1982 | 5 | 0 | 1975–1981 | 15 | 0 |
George Shutt | 1891–1893 | 1 | 0 | 1885–1889 | 21 | 1 |
Barry Siddall | 1982–1984 | 81 | 0 | 1984–1986 | 20 | 0 |
Eric Skeels | 1976–1977 | 5 | 1 | 1959–1976 | 507 | 7 |
Sam Spencer | 1929–1930 | 0 | 0 | 1921–1922 | 1 | 0 |
Freddie Steele | 1951–1953 | 25 | 12 | 1933–1949 | 224 | 140 |
James Swarbrick | 1911–1912 | 22 | 3 | 1910–1911 | 3 | 0 |
Harry Taylor | 1912 | 0 | 0 | 1909–1910 | 10 | 4 |
Billy Tempest | 1924–1926 | 45 | 3 | 1912–1924 | 202 | 29 |
Billy Twemlow | 1921–1923 | 21 | 0 | 1916–1921 | 36 | 2 |
Steve Waddington | 1982–1983 | 1 | 0 | 1976–1979 | 52 | 5 |
Tommy Ward | 1936–1938 1939 |
50 | 22 | 1938–1939 | 5 | 0 |
Cyril Watkin | 1944 | 0 | 0 | 1944–1952 | 86 | 0 |
Frank Watkin | 1929–1931 | 13 | 9 | 1926 | 5 | 0 |
Frank Whitehouse | 1899–1900 | 19 | 1 | 1900–1904 | 88 | 23 |
Bob Whittingham | 1919 | 2 | 0 | 1904 1919–1920 |
18 | 8 |
Louis Williams | 1912–1913 | 4 | 0 | 1907–1908 | 33 | 1 |
Ron Wilson | 1963–1970 | 264 | 5 | 1959–1964 | 11 | 0 |
Alf Wood | 1892–1895 | 63 | 18 | 1895–1901 | 118 | 10 |
John Woodward | 1973–1975 | 88 | 30 | 1964–1967 | 11 | 1 |
Davide Xausa | 1998 | 0 | 0 | 1997–1998 | 1 | 0 |
Managers who worked at both clubs
Those in bold were actually full-time managers at both clubs.
- As of 28 January 2013.
Manager | Port Vale career | Stoke City career |
---|---|---|
Span | Span | |
Micky Adams | 2009–2010 2011–2014 |
1994 |
Bill Asprey | 1967–1968 | 1984–1985 |
Alan Bloor | 1979 | 1961–1977 |
Tom Holford | 1919–1924 1932–1935 |
1898–1908 |
Jackie Mudie | 1965–1967 | 1961–1963 |
Bill Rowley | 1884–1886 | 1886–1898 |
John Rudge | 1983–1999 | 1999–2013 |
Stanley Matthews | 1967–1968 | 1932–1947 1961–1965 |
Joe Schofield | 1924–1930 | 1915–1919 |
Freddie Steele | 1951–1957 1962–1965 |
1933–1949 |
References
- 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 Kent, Jeff (November 1998). The Potteries Derbies. Witan Books. ISBN 0-9529152-3-5.
- ↑ "Rivalry uncovered" (PDF). Football fans census. Retrieved 2007-09-10.
- ↑ "Towns with Teams in the Premiership & Football League 2011-12". lovemytown.co.uk. Retrieved 17 April 2012.
- ↑ A Potter's Tale: The Story of Stoke City, Wade Martin, ISBN 0-8602340-7-X, 1988
- ↑ The Valiants' Years: The Story Of Port Vale, pages 4-13, Jeff Kent, ISBN 0-9508981-4-7, 1990, Witan Books; The Port Vale Record 1879-1993, page 4, Jeff Kent, ISBN 0-9508981-9-8, 1993, Witan Books; The Potteries Derbies, page 4, Jeff Kent, ISBN 0-9529152-3-5, 1998, Witan Books; and What If There Had Been No Port In The Vale? Startling Port Vale Stories, pages 18-33, Jeff Kent, ISBN 978-0-9529152-8-7, 2011, Witan Books.
- ↑ Sherwin, Phil (2010). The Port Vale Miscellany. Brimscombe Port: The History Press. p. 53. ISBN 978-0-7524-5777-2.
- 1 2 3 What If There Had Been No Port In The Vale?: Startling Port Vale Stories! (Witan Books, 2011, ISBN 978-0-9529152-8-7)
- ↑ "Stoke City 0-1 Port Vale". BBC SPORT. 10 February 2002. Retrieved 2009-01-12.
- ↑ "Port Vale 1-1 Port Vale". BBC Sport. 21 October 2001. Retrieved 2009-01-12.
- ↑ "Port Vale 2 - 1 Stoke City". Soccerbase. Retrieved 2009-01-12.
- ↑ "Stoke City 1 - 1 Port Vale". Soccerbase. Retrieved 2009-01-12.
- ↑ "Port Vale 1-1 Stoke City". BBC SPORT. 17 September 2000. Retrieved 2009-01-12.
- ↑ "Port Vale 0 - 0 Stoke City". Soccerbase. Retrieved 2009-01-12.
- ↑ "Stoke City 2 - 1 Port Vale". Soccerbase. Retrieved 2009-01-12.
- ↑ "Stoke City 2 - 0 Port Vale". Soccerbase. Retrieved 2009-01-12.
- ↑ "Port Vale 1 - 1 Stoke City". Soccerbase. Retrieved 2009-01-12.
- ↑ "Port Vale 1 - 1 Stoke City". Soccerbase. Retrieved 2009-01-12.
- ↑ "Stoke City 0 - 1 Port Vale". Soccerbase. Retrieved 2009-01-12.
- ↑ "Stoke City 0 - 1 Port Vale". Soccerbase. Retrieved 2009-01-12.
- ↑ "Port Vale 1 - 1 Stoke City". Soccerbase. Retrieved 2009-01-12.
External links
- Head to Head stats at Soccerbase
- Profile on footballderbies.com
- Potteries derby page at Stoke City's official website
- Vale vs Stoke: FA CUP 1st Round (Replay)- 24 November 1992 on YouTube
- Vale vs Stoke: League- 31 March 1993 on YouTube